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LynW
#1 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 9:00:12 PM Quote
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Hello All

I decided to start a new blog with the new problem as the title of the previous one didn't quite 'fit the bill'!

INTRO ...taken from previous blog!

Just when I thought things were tripping along nicely, thank you very much, along comes a nasty U-turn and plans sent into disarray! I have been having breathing problems for 6/7 months, not entirely sure when I first noticed! As my drugs have changed continuously over the last two years it has been difficult to pinpoint a possible cause. I have put on about 2.5st due to high dose prednisolone so tended to put the tight chest, wheezing, shortness of breath down to being generally unfit and overweight. However, just over a month ago (March) I decided enough was enough and a small increase in my white cell count made me think I might have a low grade persistent infection. So off I toddle to the GP!

I fully expected to come out with my mitts tightly grasping a prescription for antibiotics ... no such luck! Doc is very concerned that I might have lung disease (due to methotrexate) so I leave with a ticket for an urgent x-ray, do not pass go do not collect the measly £200 ... go straight to hospital!! I did (Yes, for once did as I was told without argument ).

That was on the Friday. The following Tuesday I had an urgent rheumatology appointment. Rheumatologist tells me "x-rays fine, no change from previous ones". Goodo, at least I can cross lung disease off the list, phew!

Wednesday I go for spirometry. Used the inhaler as instructed before appointment, not that it made a scrap of difference, and proceeded with the deep breathing and exhaling! Not only did I pass the ruddy tests I excelled apparently Duh ... However on the Thursday my chest was so tight and it took me three hours to get my breath back after getting up, getting washed, making the expedition downstairs and drinking a mug of tea!

Went back to see my GP three weeks ago who was stumped by the symptoms. He's not normally one to be lost for words or a diagnosis! The inhaler has no effect which appears to rule out asthma. I am always anaemic, Hb never reaches the minimum of 11.0 and hovers at about 9.0. He thinks perhaps the combination of anaemia and weight gain might be the problem, but admitted it was a shot in the dark. So, on with yet another course of iron! If no luck it will be referral to a respiratory specialist.

After all this palaver I now have a tight chest almost all the time and I get out of breath even more easily! Went back to GP yesterday (Monday 23 April), I tell you, Puff the magic Dragon, may well live by the sea but he has nothing on me when it comes to breathing!! Having exhausted what seems to me to be most/all other possibilities I think Methotrexate has to be the culprit I’ve tried anti-histamines (in case it’s an allergy), Ferrous Fumarate (to improve the anaemia), Amoxycillin (in case it was an infection!), increasing Prednisolone (perhaps I’d cut it back too quickly) resting for long periods and nothing makes any difference! This is the same Methotrexate that I spent a long time trying to get back after previous episodes of neutropenia!

My GP is very concerned that rheumatology haven’t taken these problems up before embarking on yet another course of treatment, ie Cimzia, which is normally taken with Methotrexate. He believes it is the culprit and thinks it could be early symptoms of pulmonary fibrosis. He has referred me back to rheumatology requesting an urgent CT scan, this may provide a more detailed picture of what is actually going on. I am not taking any more Methotrexate for now until the cause has been firmly established, and the Cimzia now has to await the outcome of the investigations. Sods law though, Healthcare at Home phoned last night to arrange my first delivery; had to put them off for a week as I don’t want to be taking delivery of something I might not be able to have! Hoping I’ll hear something soon but things in rheumatology don’t ever happen quickly in my experience!


A couple more trips back to the GP with worsening symptoms and you're up to speed ans ready for the next instalment!
My son, Ian, completed the BUPA Great North Run on 15th September running for the National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS). You can read his story at http://www.justgiving.com/ianlukewilson

LynW
#2 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 9:26:33 PM Quote
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Okay it's Monday 14th May 9.45am off I go to the docs with very tight chest, dreadful breathing patterns and downright weary! No point phoning I'll only get fobbed off, I'll just turn up puffing and blowing and hope for the best! ThumpUp

Receptionist doesn't like the look of me, that's a good start, and gets me in immediately with the nurse. Smile I ask her to listen to my chest, all nomal apparently, BP okay, Pulse a bit fast, temperature okay. Hmm ... goes to have a word with doc. Hmm ... chivvy up CT scan! Email Rheum. nurse ... no scan booked as X-Ray in March clear. Oh well plod on, at least my Echo scan is on Thursday. Wheezed about the house most of the day, coughed, spluttered, groaned etc etc and went to bed. No good, can't breathe so can't sleep. Gets up again and wanders the house. Eventually wakes up other half and insists on being taken to hospital, yes, I really was that ill! It's now 4.30am and en route to Blackpool Vic. Confused

I was admitted as an emergency and various wheels set in motion. Within two days I was diagnosed with advanced heart failure, cardiomyopathy and liver congestion. I was discharged at the weekend but I'm still in a bad way with breathing difficulties, oedema and tiredness. I'm on various heart meds to get this all under control.

So far I haven't seen the Cardiology Consultant, although a referral has been made, so until then I'm not sure what lies ahead. It has come as a complete shock to me, I had no idea I had a heart problem! My RA meds have been stopped and things are looking very uncertain at the moment. I can't now start the much awaited Cimzia, which is sitting patiently in my fridge, because I have a serious heart condition. That's being collected on Monday. More pondering and research now required; I need an assistant!

I've seen my GP today; he is baffled! It all seemed to creep up then suddenly took a turn for the worse. I suppose he too thought it was RA related (still thinks it has some grounding in auto-immunity). My blood results on 30 April were spot on, by 15 May my AST (liver function) was 242! Just shows how easily problems can be overlooked when we already have a diagnosis.

Will be interesting to see how this little drama unfolds! Sad

Lyn xx

My son, Ian, completed the BUPA Great North Run on 15th September running for the National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS). You can read his story at http://www.justgiving.com/ianlukewilson

mazza59
#3 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 10:31:50 PM Quote
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Crumbs Lynn you are having a rough old time. I really don't know what to say apart from I hope you get some answers quickly and they sort your meds out for you.
Will be keeping fingers crossed for you.
Best wishes
Mary
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#4 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 10:41:30 PM Quote
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Oh dear Lyn, what a dreadful time you are having. All this must have come as such a shock to you.
I've only had RA for about six years but I know from reading your posts you've had it much longer.
It's just so difficult to tell if illnesses and symptoms are RA related,down to the medication we have to take or are totally unrelated to either.
I've had blood tests that veer from normal to very high ESR levels and then back down again even though I haven't felt any better or worse.
I wish I could be of more help but I just wanted to let you know that I shall be thinking of you.Hope the doctors will soon have things under control.

With all best wishes Avril xxx
Kathleen_C
#5 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 11:26:49 PM Quote
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Crikey Lyn, you don`t do things by half!!

I`m so sorry to hear this - had no idea your heart was causing a problem. Thank goodness you went in as an emergency and at least got taken seriously. I can`t believe you haven`t yet seen a cardiologist - surely one should have visited you while you were in hospital? They sent one to see me three times in two days while I was on the ward.

I hope you get seen quickly and they can get the problems under control so you can feel there are better times ahead.

Take care,

Kathleen x

anne_t
#6 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 11:33:54 PM Quote
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Dear Lyn,
Was very sorry to hear this news today but honestly not surprise What a bummer and very scary, from experience. When I spoke
to NRAS they seemed to be saying that this is happening to long term ra's and much research is going on.
Like you seem to say, Rheumies do joints etc cardiac do hearts with a nod to respiratory and they only meet
at the bit of your body that interests them. Sorry to sound so cynical. I am so glad you have posted tonight because there were many of us getting
worried that something had gone badly wrong. It will take sometime and loads of clinics for the next few months. Don't despair it can all be sorted
given time and patience. Just many more tablets to add to the mixture.
From what you had been saying going to Stratford never seemed to make sense. Red lights from Jennies Traffic Light Scheme.
Do you hear from her as she seems to have abandoned this forum
Take things VERY carefully, Gentle hugs, Anne
Rose-B
#7 Posted : Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:50:15 PM Quote
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Dear Lynn


Crumbs - goodness what a time you have had especially these last few months.Sad I really hope that you see
the Cardiologist very soon and that he begins to sort you out on the right medication. Poor you, I do feel
for you.

Life is cruel and you certainly have been given more than your full share of health problems/

Please take care and enjoyed being pampered.

Love From Rose x xSmile
JulieM
#8 Posted : Saturday, May 26, 2012 3:45:28 PM Quote
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Oh my goodness Lyn-why do these things always seem to happen to the nicest people? Take Great care my love.
YES I'VE CHANGED, PAIN DOES THAT TO PEOPLE.
Julia17
#9 Posted : Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:36:03 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn

Thank you for posting about all that happened last week, providing a full picture of the events. I have to say too that I am absolutely shocked and baffled and confused Confused that once you were diagnosed with advanced heart failure at the hospital you were then sent home without ever seeing the consultant, I think this is totally unacceptable, and going by the length of time you have to wait in your neck of the woods I just wonder how long it will now be before you see the cardiologist. I really do not think this fair on you Lyn, I think you should contact PALS at the hospital and see if there is anything they can do, if only to speed up this appointment. I hope you are enjoying this lovely spell of weather it certainly makes life a little brighter Smile

From Mrs Angry in Kent !!

Much love Julia xx
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#10 Posted : Saturday, May 26, 2012 6:40:20 PM Quote
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hi Lyn,


what a shock to hear of your news!!

it's beyond belief how you have been left undiagnosed with your latest health issues .. and have yet to see a Cardiologist.

i hope that things will progress for you quickly now as you certainly don't deserve to be feeling this way,

will be thinking of you and hope to hear more positive news from you soon.

Suzanne x
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#11 Posted : Saturday, May 26, 2012 9:08:07 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn

So sorry to hear that you are having such a rough time of it. I do hope that Cardiology manage to get to the bottom of your problem and are able to offer you something to stop all this breathlessness.

Best Wishes

Sue
Sheila-R
#12 Posted : Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:11:31 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn, and thanks for posting when you must be feeling rough and also down with everything that's happened . As you say not something you expected to hear at the hospital. I hope that the new medication aids the heart and makes the breathing easier and that you get to see the cardiologist pronto. Do you know yet if its a virus thats hit the heart or if its to do with the RA? I know that sometimes its such a huge shock when we get a diagnosis we weren't expecting, but at least once you know what you are dealing with you can research it .
Stay positive and I have everything crossed that things improve soon for you, you just don't desrve this.
Best wishes
Sheila
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#13 Posted : Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:11:54 PM Quote
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Hi Lynn,
So sorry to hear you are having so many problems. It must be so worrying for you. Did anyone ever suspect at any time that your breathing problems could be heart related before you went to the hospital? I remember reading an item in the nras mag. some time ago about the need for more awareness of the efffect ra can have upon the heart, and the lack of routine heart checks being carried out on ra patients. Its such a good job that you took yourself off to the hospital, it must have been very scarey. My mother suffered from emphasemia, and I know how frightening breathlessness can be. At least something is being done now and you are on the appropriate drugs. Hope you get an app. with the specialist soon.
My very best wishes and hope you will be feeling better soon. Zena x.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:02:50 PM Quote
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Oh no dear Lyn! What a complete disgrace that you have been so ill for so long without a diagnosis. Glad that you took yourself into hospital and at least know what the cause of the breathing problem is now. Do think that a visit to your GP to ask for a referral to a hospital cardio department with an earlier appointment may be in order.

Sending lots of love,

Eleanor xxx
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Oh my goodness. What a terrible shock for you. I know the breathing issues have been going on for some time and had you and the doctors mystified. It's so good that you went to hospital when you did, although it sounds like you had no other option. It's awful that this wasn't picked up earlier and so frustrating that it hasn't been as straightforward as it could have been. At least now you know what you're up against and can get the treatment that you need for both conditions. I have been wondering what the outcome was going to be for you and I'm so sorry that you're having to deal with this. Please keep posting. I'm sending hugs and my best wishes but I wish I could be of some real help to you. Naomi.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:35:12 PM Quote
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My Goodness Lyn, what a shock and you must have felt so very ill. I do hope that the new medication works quickly to relieve the pressure on your heart and eases the breathing too. I also can't believe you were discharged so quickly with such a serious diagnosis.

Please do let us know what is happening for you and chase up if you have to, but i would think your GP will be shocked enough to to put some pressure on to see the cardiologist asap.

Like you, I have had severe RA for a long time (40 years now) and have had a few heart issues, endocarditis and some angina from a couple of leaky valves, both of which respond to heart meds fortunately. Severe anaemia has also put a strain on my heart at times, but iron infusions and Rituximab for the RA are helping at the moment, so do take heart (sorry!) things can be done. Like Kathleen I was put on the acute medical unit and kept there until they were satisfied all tests had been done and there were many cardiology visits during that time.

I just hope so much for you that you get first class treatment asap and send you some very gentle hugs,
Lizxx
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#17 Posted : Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:46:03 PM Quote
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What a good job Lyn you went straight down to hospital, this wouldn't have been picked up until a later date, it doesn't bear thinking about.

I hope you don't have to wait too long to see a cardiologist and they can get you on the right track with treatment. It's a matter of your rheumy and cardiologist getting their heads together to come up with a solution for your medication isn't it? I have read that having rheumatoid arthritis doubles the risk of heart failure due to chemicals related to inflammation, and RA patients whose blood has the Rheumatoid factor antibody has the highest heart failure risk. Not cheerful is it?

On a more positive note at least it has been diagnosed and you understand now why you have been having all these wretched breathing problems. What amazes me about this R.A disease is how quickly other problems can appear, and become an emergency. I think we all need to take note of this.

Thinking of you and hoping you see a way forward soon.

Love
Rebecca x

LynW
#18 Posted : Sunday, May 27, 2012 8:39:20 PM Quote
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Hi Guys BigGrin

Yes, I am smiling again just not climbing any mountains yet! Tongue Thank you all so much for your warm and comforting comments and thoughts. Wub

I think perhaps in my initial 'rush' to post to put people's minds at rest I maybe didn't fully explain as well as I might have done thereby leaving gaps in the tale Confused I'll try and fill those holes now!

I don't know that there has been any negligence as such. I accept that although many visits to the GP were made I do tend to play down illnesses (my fault) and generally get on with life with the minimum of fuss. I am a great believer in so "you've got it, now deal with it, don't whinge"! So possibly my own doing really in not emphasising just how much the symptoms were progressing. They did tend to be quite variable too and at times I actually thought I was getting better! With the RA being uncontrolled, since the failure of Rituximab, I'm already a bag of fluid so difficult to differentiate between build up of synovial fluids and those caused by heart failure. Part of the problem came about by having both GP and Rheumatologist involved and consequently their own ideas about what should happen next!

I did see an endocrinologist every day whilst in hospital, he was charged with getting the liver congestion under control before that became exacerbated leading to possible failure and the chance of kidney damage. He liaised quite a bit with rheumatology but that ultimately led to withdrawal of all RA meds. Somewhere along the line the heart failure team was consulted as I was started on heart meds on the wednesday, even before the echo scan was done. So from their point of view all angles were covered speedily and I did start to improve rapidly ThumpUp By the weekend I was medically fit for discharge along with my instructions and bag of pills! RollEyes

It's possible the Cardiomyopathy is RA related, I need to ask questions; auto-immune disease is listed as a factor, so too is pregnancy and it can be inherited. My GP increased one of my heart pills on Friday and I'm having a blood test tomorrow to check Liver Function. I know my rheumatologist is keen to get me back on MTX, GP feels this is perhaps not such a good idea and I tend to agree with him. Will have to see how it goes in the coming weeks. At the moment all I've got for the RA is 7.5mg prednisolone and a wagon load of pain relief! Going to give the hospital a call tomorrow to see when I might expect the Cardiology appointment. At the moment the emphasis is on clearing the liver congestion and controlling the heart failure so that a full assessment of the heart condition can be made.

Rebecca is right to point out that other problems can appear very quickly. Having Rheumatoid does not make us 'immune' to other illnesses. I'm sure you all realise this but often things seem to be attributed to the disease or associated medication without further investigation, both by ourselves and by some of the medical profession.

My message to you guys is 'Be Aware', ask questions and if you're not totally happy with the answers seek further help. Do not put it all down to RA, it is not responsible for everything in life! Smile

Lyn xx
My son, Ian, completed the BUPA Great North Run on 15th September running for the National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS). You can read his story at http://www.justgiving.com/ianlukewilson

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#19 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:47:16 PM Quote
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Hello Lyn

Just been reading all of the above and I am totally lost for words. I've been thinking about you after talking to Jean at the meet up, well you will know that because of my message to you via facebook. What I really can't understand is:

If they knew that heart problems can arise with RA or the drugs, surely because you have had the illness for so long, been on all the drugs for years, somewhere along the line this should of been checked. I also think that if they know of these problems they should at least once a year give people who have had RA over a period of lets say 10 years a MOT, not wait until problems arise and we need urgent medical treatment. That to me is shutting the stable door once the horse has bolted.

Your point about being aware and not putting everything down to RA - well this time last year I was admitted to the emergency admissions unit at my hospital. Long, long story (I did go there saying that I was wasting their time but GP wanted me to go). I had some blood tests done in A & E and because of the results ended up on the ward. When the consultant came to see me she said that the rouge blood results were down to my RA and I went home. I did ring the RA nurse up after the Bank Holiday weekend (last Spring Bank) and her first words to me were ''I wish they wouldn't put everything down to RA''. She did check the blood results and did tell me that they were right, but it just goes to show that for the specialist nurse to say this it must happen alot.

Just hoping that things get sorted for you soon and no waiting for appointments and the medication that you are taking is helping.

Can I just ask you Lyn re your AST results? I don't know if you have read my recent thread about my AST/ALT results (thread tilted feeling let down), but mine reached 257 at one stage. Yours was slight lower than what mine was and you had liver congestion, but at the time I was told that it still wasn't high enough to be anything serious, it would have to be in the 6 to 700 before it was serious.

Sending you gentle ((((((HUGS)))))) and hope you are feeling better.

Love Paula xx
Sara-R
#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:02:55 PM Quote
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So sorry to hear about your trials and tribulations and having to deal with something else. I am at a loss sometimes as to what is or isn't the RA you know those moments well no doubt, trying to work out what on earth is going on then ignoring it and it doesn't go away so have to resort to the NHS!

Take care Lyn

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